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LetsDiscuss: Nokia GPS maps show Kashmir in Pakistan; violent Indian mobs burn down Nokia outlets
If you ever thought that a little GPS map embedded deep inside a tiny application in a relatively inexpensive piece of consumer technology was, in the grand scheme of things, unimportant and harmless, well, think again. Recent happenings in India will expose your naivete!
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this is rubbish.....
hey alvi this time i think that the Right Wing extremists are at fault..... i mean they could have easily warned Nokia or give an ultimatum, i personally feel there was no point in burning an outlet which would result in a loss for ones own country....
these Right Wing extremists do that only, they always cause loos to India, they are a useless bunch of people....
You attempt to expose indian naivete, right? Let us put your claims in a wider perspective. The reaction to the Jyllands-Posten Danish cartoons?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_cartoons
You may not accept "Wiki" - but read the hundreds of references.
Social consequences:
* Andrea Santoro, an Italian Catholic priest, was killed on February 5, 2006, in Trabzon, Turkey. A 16-year-old high school student was arrested two days later carrying a 9mm pistol. The student told police he had been influenced by the cartoons.[1]
* At least four protesters were killed in Afghanistan, in Mihtarlam, and a US air base in Bagram. One protester was trampled to death in Bossaso, Somalia, when the crowd stampeded as police fired in the air to disperse them. On February 5, 2006, one protester died at the blazing Danish Embassy in Beirut, Lebanon.[2]
* On February 6, 2006, one demonstrator involved in the torching of the Danish consulate in Beirut, Lebanon, was found dead on a staircase. One protester was shot to death in Laghman Province, Afghanistan.[3]
* Four people were killed and 22 injured on February 7, 2006, in an attack on a NATO base in Maymana, Afghanistan.[4]
* On February 13, 2006, two people were killed in Lahore, Pakistan. The next day two were killed in Peshawar, Pakistan; and another in Lahore. [1]
* On February 15, 2006, three people were killed by local police forces in the city of Peshawar, Pakistan during widespread demonstrations in the city.
* On February 17, 2006, eleven people died during protests in Libya [5]
* On February 18, 2006, sixteen people were killed in northern Nigeria as demonstrators protested the cartoons by storming and burning Christian churches and businesses.[6] The majority of the casualties were believed to be Christians, a minority group in Northern Nigeria.
* As of February 24, 2006, around 146 people have been killed in religious riots in Nigeria, touched off by attacks against Christians in the predominantly Muslim North [2] [3].
* As of March 22, 2006, 139 people have died, and at least 823 people have been injured as a result of the cartoons (those figures do not count riots in Nigeria).[7]
* As of April 14, 2006, a 67-year-old Coptic Christian was knifed to death by a 25-year-old Muslim in an attack on faithful in a Coptic church in Alexandria, Egypt. At the same time others attacked two other Coptic churches and injured more than ten Christians.[8] According to press reports, referring to the department of the Interior of Egypt, the killer acted in revenge to the publication of the Muhammad cartoons.[9]
* On May 3, 2006, 28-year-old Pakistani Amir Abdur Rehman Cheema hanged himself in prison in Berlin, Germany while awaiting trial for an unsuccessful attempt to enter the building of the German newspaper Die Welt, armed with a knife, and attack the chief editor. At his autopsy, two high-ranking Pakistani police officials were present.[10]
Economic consequences:
While many Muslims and supporters took part in protests throughout the world, many more took part in one of the single biggest boycotts of all time. Consumers, especially Arab nations, began a process of boycotting all Danish goods. This was then followed by the government of Iran issuing boycotts and restrictions on Consumer products imported from Denmark. Denmark is concerned about the potential loss of 11,000 jobs resulting from boycotts against Danish products in the Islamic world.[11]
The biggest single loser of the boycott was a Swedish-Danish company called Arla Foods. Arla, Denmark's biggest exporter to the Middle East, has been losing 20 million kroner (3.2 million dollars, 1.3 million euros) per day since its products were taken off the shelves in several countries, and has had to temporarily lay off 125 workers. In response, Arla began to sell its product without its brand name being present and in large containers. Other companies have replaced their "Made in Denmark" label with a "Made in the EU" label. Others still have used foreign subsidiaries to camouflage the origin of Danish production, according to the Confederation of Danish Industries’ (DI).
The boycott continued, despite hopes that it was a temporary dispute which would quickly blow over. The pharmaceutical company Novo Nordisk said that it had lost a 200-million-kroner insulin contract in Turkey blaming the ongoing controversy. Jyske Bank has estimated that the cost of the boycott to the Danish economy could total 7.5 billion kroner which is in the area of 0.5 percent of the Danish GDP.[12]
Property damage:
* On February 4, 2006, the buildings containing the Danish and Norwegian embassies in Syria were set ablaze, although no one was hurt.[13]
* On February 12 - February 15, 2006, during three days of riots in the city of Peshawar, Pakistan people demonstrated against symbols of Western culture. Fast food restaurants, banks and two offices of Telenor (a Norwegian telecom company) were vandalized.[citation needed]
* On February 18, 2006, eleven Christian churches were torched in riots in the state of Borno, Nigeria. A number of hotels, stores and vehicles were torched in Maiduguri, the state capital, after the local police force used tear gas to disperse rioters.[citation needed]
Other calls for boycott:
* In February, the French international supermarket chain Carrefour took all Danish products off the shelves in Muslim countries. Posters with the Carrefour logo proclaiming a boycott of Denmark, resulted in a boycott of Carrefour in Brussels.[14]
* On March 05, 2006 Ayman al-Zawahiri of Al Qaeda urged all Muslims to boycott, not only Denmark but also Norway, France, Germany and all others that have "insulted the Prophet Mohammed" by printing cartoons depicting him.[15]
* Iran has announced that it plans to review its trade ties with all countries where the cartoons were published.[16] A high level committee involving the Foreign Minister, the Deputy Foreign Minister, the Deputy Trade Minister and the Deputy Oil Minister has been set up.
* In February 2008, Sudan President Omar al-Bashir stated that he would bar Danes from Sudan and called for the Muslim world to boycott Denmark. At a rally, he stated “We urge all Muslims around the world to boycott Danish commodities, goods, companies, institutions, organizations and personalities" and that "not a single Danish foot will from now on desecrate the land of Sudan.”[17]
Where the criticism is about the effects, the Nokia incident fades into nothingness.
There is a saying about people in glass houses; it applies to what you write here. For every stone you throw, I can throw back many more.
amazing factlist awmyth, like always you add to my knowledge when you say something. But just one more thing, what makes us better than them is the willingness to punish people when they do something stupid like burning down a nokia outlet. I wonder whatever happened to gandhiji's ideals and peaceful protests.
hey awmyth first of all thanx for the info, i never knew abt so many things.....
and now coming to the point u feel that burning the Nokia outlest was right, it will result into losses for our own country....
i know the mistake of Nokia was gruesome but was this the way and who cares if any outlet is broken in India or not, the best thing would have been to complain to the I & B ministry and warn Nokia to take any action in two to three days or else their networks would be cut or any such other thing where official authorities were involved.........
i still find these Right Wing extremists as useless for our country's growth
whatever wrong happens in the world does not mean that we should repeat the same........
awaiting your reply
@ denny,
Every individual in a free living world also has the right to protest. If the article was simply to criticise the act as a destructive "over-reaction" - then I compare it with similar backlashes of the past.
Judging by this member's many previous articles and especially when she ends with the words Recent happenings in India will expose your naivete! the purpose of the article was not to discuss "rightwing extremism". The title itself highlights as a "violent Indian mob" action - and cleverly brings "Kashmir" into it. That is an unjustified generalisation of Indians (although not mentioned, I am certain it is only Hindu "indian"s she refers to) and a clever way of linking it to the Kashmir conflict.
I was reading her many comments and insinations about Kashmir. So a reminder to this member that if she wishes to throw stones, for whatever her motive maybe, she should prepared to receive many in return.
On the issue of "rightwing extremist" - perhaps if you could specify who or which ideology you wish to criticise. It remains a vague term unless specified to a group/ideology/religion/nation.
@ garfield,
I have no problems with anyone giving them a boot up their backside but it has to be for every such mob action.
Kolkata feb 2007: "In a violent protest on Wednesday in Kolkata members of umbrella organization of several small Islamic outfits All-India Minority Forum set up roadblocks in the city and demanded cancellation of 45- year-old Nasreen's visa, which expires on February 17, 2008. Protestors torched cars, at least 43 people were hurt, more than 100 arrests were made, and soldiers of the Indian army patrolled the streets to control the protest.
Will the muslims of this world kick the butt of those who brought Kolkata to a standstill and made a mockery of an individuals rights that is written in our constitution?
It did not happen, it will never happen. That is what I have real problems with.
Either let me kick every "rightwing / extremist" backside - or do not expect me to do / criticise anyone at all.
edit typo, Kolkata Feb 2008
wAoh You people know a lot .... :)
hey awmyth, i dont care what this user here wants to prove or not, it is clear that the actions of some miscreants do not represent the whole country....
if some Right wing extremists do headless violent activities it does not mean that entire India is involved in it....
my point was that the violence any of these Right wingers like VHP, Bajrang Dal or other organizations or even the BJP for that matter is not worthy enough.....
this should be stopped........
as far as the violence carried out by other people belonging to other religion is concerned i am against any dort of violence which harms the innocents.....
whether it be carried out by Muslims, Christians or Hindus.....
i was the person who supported public hanging of Kasab and i am also of the opinion that all the terrorists should be hanged without much trials.......
@ denny,
but I do care about what posters like this writes. I care enough to login in to write a response.
I care enough, for statements such as this, if left unchallenged, will be repeated over and over again, and there are enough idiots on earth who will fall for it. I hear westerners who are deceived by such propaganda.
I am doing my bit. Putting every such claim within the correct perspectives.
Support for a public hanging is also regarded as an extreme rightwing view. You may not normally support the death penalty, yet the incident of Mumbai makes you make an exception and justify it.
Why? Anger? Hatred?
Is it not possible if you had lost someone close to you in Mumbai, would you not have felt the same anger and hatred to go out and seek revenge?
The muslims have terrorised us for nearly ten thousand years, Ajmal Kasab is the most recent of the long line of muslim butchers to have come to India to kill. What if the rightwing violence of VHP that you condemn is from similar feelings of anger and hatred and revenge.
Until the muslims of this world can also condemn every islamic killing, every islamic "jihad" against non-muslims - till then I do not see any reason to condemn the rightwing Hindu. I certainly am not embarrasses or ashamed by them to make token gestures of condemnation. If I am asked to justify their actions by anyone - I put things within perspectives - just like I did here.
Who knows, they may be the saviour of Hindus in India if the situation so arises in future, the Gandhis' Congress and the Communists for 60 years have sold of Hindu rights to preserve their muslim votebank.
Personally, I do not think a public execution will do India any good. As long he is alive, he is the living witness of Pakistan's involvement in cross-border terrorism. Once he is dead, Pakistan's denial will get even louder.
Public hanging? Pakistan too is praying for it.
Think laterally Denny, I know you can.
hey awmyth, i wanted a public hanging for him only after he has given all the information about the people involved in the Mumbai attacks.....when he becomes a useless for us he should be killed.......
I know that from the past many years we are faced with Islamic terrorism, but what is the fault of those innocent Muslims who have done nothing to support these terrorists but are still facing the heat of the Hindu extremists.....
Even i am angry and it hurts when these terrorists killed our fellow Indians, mind it Indians and even Muslims are killed in these attacks.....
i totally sympathize with the family members of the persons who were killed in such blasts over the years.....
but just let me give you one suggestion, the person who has killed us should be mercilessly killed and even the people who have supported him in any way should be murdered and butchered...... the people who are not at all involved should not be unnecessarily tortured.
what will you say about Godhra Kand????? would you justify that too?????
Denny bro,you are totally right. Thats what i am always saying. Dont Let Go Any Of These Killers BUT DONT HARASS INNOCENTS,Too. . . And ISLAM religion is just nearly 1500 years old, not ten thousands years old. . . .lolz
And yes Kasab must not die untill he is not going to tell everything about his source and connection. . . India is really lucky that this time we got a terrorist alive and he is revealing about his identity. He is the only proof and India must use him to get all the information.
And yes Kasab must not die untill he is not going to tell everything about his source and connection. . . India is really lucky that this time we got a terrorist alive and he is revealing about his identity. He is the only proof and India must use him to get all the information.